Dennis Ranalter calls it "the perfect all-rounder". SE. SE. Check out the Rossignol Experience 94 and the K2 Pinnacle 95 for comparison. At your size, I'd recommend the E100 in the 185--don't overthink it! The first thing I noticed about the Bent Chetlers was that they do feel light, at first they kind of reminded me of my old skinny park skis the first time I jumped on the chair and my feet were just dangling. A better choice for groomed terrain versus deep powder or tight trees, the Bonafide 97 is a fantastic crud and chop ski as well. Hello, great article! This narrower brethren is built for a bit more all-mountain skiing, but still has the long tip rocker profile of the 108, making this 100 a very smooth competitor in fresh and soft snow. Maybe you want to do some AT skiing too, the Tracer 98 is a good candidate for a touring binding. An all mountain ski with some distinct freeride influence is a great way to describe it. The Volkl 90Eight and the Rossignol Sky 7 are two other choices, but you're probably pretty well covered with the versatile Rustler and Pinnacle series. Hope that helps! I read your bio without reading your ski choices and had QST 99 in my head. I am a bigger guy at 6'2 250 so those were a bit small for me but easy to learn on after 7+ years of skiing. Hi Stu! We've found that a lot of former snowboarders really like the Bent Chetler 100. While its got the dual-metal laminate, its more active and engaging than a lot of skis in this grouping. The good news is that the all around quality of skis is increasing, making it more possible than ever to find a ski that fits your specific style and preferences. I'd go with the Rustler 9. SE, How would you compare the M Free 99 to the Bent Chetler 100 and the Camex? You sound like a really good candidate for the QST 99. An all mountain ski with some distinct freeride influence is a great way to describe it. After doing some more research it seemed like the Salomon QST 99 would be perfect for me. I guess the Enforcer 104 is slightly better off-piste? I think the 184 is a bit of a reach. I loved both. Thinking 100 under foot but maybe thats the problem. Overall, the QST is a fantastic ski that will do it all. Instead of fitting the ski by height, the skis that we carry are fit by weight. Im 6-1 and 205lbs. That's just barely taller than you, which usually works well for the QST 99. Skiers that value edge grip, stability, and a stiff, powerful ski will fall in love with the MX 99. Im currently on 2015 bonafides in a 180 and ski them pretty well but they are a heavy tiring ski. It's a one-stop shop do it all ski with a fantastic overall personality. I think unfortunately I have a pretty big list of skies that I am trying to narrow down and so am looking for a recommendation. Sitting just above the narrowest ski in the series, the Bent 90 is Atomic's take on an all-mountain park ski. The Enforcer 93 uses pretty thin sheets of metal, which reduces weight and softens up the flex a little. These laminates are thinner than most, at .4mm wide, so it's not a ton of metal, but still does the trick. We like how they've put the camber back underfoot in the Mantra, it really makes the hard snow performance stand out once again. I was basing the 177 Mantra on the greater manoeuvrability it would give me in bumps / tight terrain vs.184cm. Who it's For: Like the Ranger 102 FR, it's best on the feet of a relatively playful skier, or at least a skier that values soft snow performance. Built with a poplar wood core and fiberglass, its got a simple core, but the shaping and profiling set it apart. I am switching from Rossignol Scratch BCs from 10 years ago and demo'd the M5 Mantras yesterday and couldn't believe the ease in carving up groomers, but it's a much heavier ski than I'm used to. With a lower price point than other Kastle model skis, the ZX 100 has a secondary goal to be a gateway ski to the company for the less affluent. Similar, though, to the K2, this Salomon also likes to be used in more of a hard-charging and straight-lining format. SE, Hey Jeff, thanks for the great reviews. With fiberglass on top and bottom of the wood core, these skis have a tremendous amount of energy and snap, providing even aggressive expert skiers the proper foundation to push the boundaries. Ski mostly Tahoe. Who it's For: Skiers that love soft snow and/or like to jump off stuff. Looking at Mantra M5 in 184 or Kore 93 in 180cm. Salomon added basalt and doubled the amount of carbon and flax in the QST 99 for 2019. My main passion is freeride however only skiing a few weeks of the year now, and in the alps, powder is never guaranteed. Im also looking for something a little less demanding than the RTM 84 - I love the ski, but it can be unforgiving. What skis do you think I should be considering? I'm looking for something great in the powder that I can also ski on a groomer if need be. Characteristics of an advanced skier would be: the ability to ski most, if not all trails, an ability to ski fast, regular ability to ski off trail, and more traditionally, the ability to link full carving turns at full speed. You probably spend a lot of time on firm snow, but want to be able to venture into soft snow conditions without getting bogged down. Fitting cross country skis is different then fitting alpine skis. The Rustler 10, in my opinion, starts to feel like more of a freeride ski. 15 different all-mountain skis in the 90 mm waist width range. I'm in my 50s and 6'1 205, consider myself advanced intermediate skiier. Have fun! I think the best thing to do here is to get a ski that blends the power and precision of the Mantra with a more playful, soft-snow oriented ski for your sidecountry and soft snow adventures. Sounds like you're looking at something like the Salomon QST 92 or the Blizzard Rustler 9. Beginner: Chances are youll know if this is you. Have fun! Is there a reason it didn't end up on your list for me? SE, Thanks a lot for the insight! Ha! fyi length-wise I heard the Bent 100 skis a little short due to rocker but I do find the 184 Bacons to be plenty 'enough' even being the twin tips they are. Skiers with very loose Achillies tendons and strong ankles will particularly enjoy these noodles. -Andrew, Hi Andrew! All in all, the build and shape lead to a fun-loving and fantastic overall attitude for the Holyshred. (I have to mount my BC 100 but afraid may be to soft? I ski west coast only and get in about 12-14 days a year. Please help. I love the Soul Rider as an all-mountain ski. That would really help in tight moguls and trees, and it still has solid torsional stiffness and good vibration damping so will hold an edge really well on firm snow too. What would you say should make me go for the qst over benchetlers (or vice versa) and any other shouts similar to these 2? I do a lot of tree runs and love to find powder but I also love to rip groomers and charge more than carve on them. Tail rocker combined with the twin tip shape allows you to release the tail edge quite easily, yet it will hold an edge on firm snow even when you're skiing aggressively. This guide is for Alpine Skis. It's one of the ones without any structural metal to it, relying on Fischer's Air Core with carbon nose to generate quickness and edge grip. I am super-impressed with the versatility of that ski from moguls to trees and groomers and powder. I liked them. Don't hesitate to give us a call at (877) 812-6710 and let us help you. The Titanal Frame style of build in the 102 helps to not only achieve a high level of precision to the edges, but also lightens the load ever so slightly to deliver energy and agility to this already burly stick. a great strong ski for all terrain I ski. Have fun! I am so glad one of my colleagues told me about your reviews on YouTube, because they have inspired me to finally replace my 2012 Volkl Mantras. This year I purchased new boots and feel much more connected, but this has in turn made me feel as if I'm skiing at the limit of the K2 and also it's likely a bit short for my height/weight. I never took a ski lesson in my life, so am probably not the best technical skier. They float and carve very well and have a ton of versatility. It uses two sheets of metal sandwiched around a wood core, and also uses some carbon in its construction. What bindings do you recommend? When the kids are in ski school I may end up using my old K2's so my new skis don't get thrashed in the lift line (the hill where they learn is like 80% learners so it's a mess). Ratios are fun. thanks SE. Those were both near the top of my list, along with possibly the Kore. SE, Hi SkiEssentials I like the updates, as I think it makes the ski more manageable at different speeds and terrain. In your description of your skiing, I got the impression you spend a fair amount of time on groomers and like to ski somewhat fast sometimes (Birds of Prey is what comes to mind). Hope that helps! I live in Japan so no shortage of soft snow (but not guaranteed every day either) and have some Majesty Superior for big days and smash around the rest of the time on some Line 2016 Bacons. The fact that they're 2mm narrower at the waist seems like a step back from what I have. I have been skiing on K2 Amp Phantom 160's since about 2013. What do you think? Because of its stiffness, you should be at a relatively high ability level, it's a ski that rewards good technique. I don't think that you'll find the top end of the Bent Chetler, and while it's not that much worse of a carver than the QST, it does have a bit more chatter on true firm snow, but if it's soft at all, it rips turns just fine. Who it's For: You like the feel of a ski with metal laminates, but you want more maneuverability and forgiveness in soft snow conditions. I'm 6'3" 235lb I am all mountain skiing mostly east coast , but 2 trips a year out west. I demoed the Salomon QST 99 in the 188 length last weekend and really enjoyed them. Have you read the Blister Gear Review on each one yet? Will spend enough time on groomers to not completely forsake having fun there as well. It used to be that if you extended your arm upwards, you should be able to reach the tips of your skis. Which do you think hold up best in terms of carving ability to the Rossi Experience 100? I have some twin tips that I use for kid skiing, and it does make it easier to get around. Who it's For: You're not the most aggressive skier on the hill and you like to spend more time off the trail than on it. They're both super-versatile and a ton of fun. While it would be difficult to come up with one area in which the Camox excels, well just have to state that its best asset is its well-roundedness. 28.5). This, combined with the vertical sidewall underfoot tapering to half-cap in the tips and tails makes for an incredibly versatile ski that is properly built for the everyday advanced skier. It sounds like you're leaning to the Enforcer, and as an Enforcer 100 owner, I don't think I want to talk you out of it. I have a pair of '99 Rossi 4S (203 cm) and K2 Totally Piste Teles from the mid 90s. On the other hand, the Unleashed is a little softer than the Enforcer with a more pronounced tail to offer a freeride application. If you're holding the right size pole, you'll notice that your elbow forms a perfect 90 degree angle between your bicep and forearm. I am a expert skier and looking to move to a new ski this year, after looking at your 2019 reviews I was thinking QST 99 or Nordica enforcer 100 or stick with bonifides? I'm 5.9ft weight 185 lbs ski primarily in the Alps, all slopes and love steep offpist skiing, couloirs/chutes etc. Free shipping. Leaning towards the sick days but Id love to hear some opinions. While this isnt a free pass to say screw all that, I know I need 210s!, it is an official recognition that different skiers have different preferences which can easily change the length of ski they purchase. I do get out west occasionally and will ski the entire mountain with a preference to ungroomed soft snow. In the 180, were looking at an 18-meter turn radius, so these skis do have the proclivity of being on edge. It's relatively lightweight, but feels a little heftier than some of the really lightweight contenders in this list. Both in that mid-90's range with some tip and tail rocker, so you get good flotation when it snows, but are still great carvers on trail. I'd go 92 unless you want something a bit burlier and wider. I ski a variety of terrain, and Im looking for something I can take into bumps or trees, but that can also hold their own if I happen to luck into a powder day while on a trip out west. I just sold my Bonafides and I am looking for something more playful. I really want a ski to make my endless hours in the trees more enjoyable. Hi, thank you for great reviews, but the more I read I seem to get more confused with what I need. We felt the 99 fits better with the "All-Mountain" moniker a bit better than the 102, which leans more to the "Freeride" side of the spectrum. It uses a wood core made from silver fir and beech, sandwiched between two full sheets of titanal metal, and finished with carbon and fiberglass. Every day and am about to pull the trigger on a pair then flip flop between them and am right back to the drawing board. Atomic Bent Chetler 100 Reviews: . Also check out the K2 Pinnacle 95 and the Blizzard Rustler 9 for comparison. Hi Nicole! What would you recommend? You may be planning a comparison like this already, but here is my question Im a New England skier, NH & VT mostly. If you liked your old Bonafide, there's no real reason to switch it up, but I will say that the Enforcer is just as stable as the Bonafide, and is livelier and more playful. All of our reviews, ski tests, and comparison articles are rooted in that belief. Throw some tricks in the park, ski some powder, maneuver through trees, and do it all with Chris Bentchetler's signature style (maybe). Any help on the SD 104 or advice on a ski? . Like Volkl and Atomic, K2 has positioned metal along the edges of the ski. I've read that some of you Ski The East, so any advice would be appreciated! SE. I'm an intermediate skier, looking for that elusive 1-quiver. Great reviews as always! Required fields are marked *. SE. Skiers who spend most of their time on groomed terrain but like a wider-bodied ski for both stability and versatility. Skiers who value stability and power over lightness and flotation. Hi Nishen! First place I come to for quality insight on the latest equipment. From what Ive read on the two skis, the turning radius of the 177 Mantra is similar to the 185 Enforcer. While that metal is thinner than we see in most skis with this style construction, it's still there. I'm riding the 2013 Line Prophet 90's today. The boot sole length is the literal length from toe to heel of that boot, measured in millimeters. The Kore will be lighter and easier to ski versus the Mantra, but you also don't lose a ton of groomer performance. The mix of poplar and beech, arranged in vertical stringers, carries the quality and precision of Kastle skis through, offering that high-end feel and energy with more of a minimalistic build. Hope that helps! You could argue that it's more modern construction, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better. The M5 Mantra is the most precise and the most powerful on firm snow, at the cost of some forgiveness and maneuverability in off-piste terrain. If you love surfing on fresh snow, but dont want a super-wide ski to do so, the ZX 100 is a fantastic choice. Have fun! While most skis out there have a speed limit, these have a speed minimum. The last time I demoed E100 it was a 185 (previous generation). Need some advice on ski purchase. Have fun! And I have to say that I fell in love with those skies, I've never skied so fast on and off piste. As a reminder, here at SkiEssentials.com we don't believe one ski is better than another. With some tweaks to the 2022 model, skiers get more length options (yay!) My current quiver consists of the Enforcer 94s for harder snow days, and Rustler 10s for softer snow, trees, and is my current backcountry touring ski. Tester - George Michaelsen 5. Weight: Theres no easy way to say it, but skiers who are carrying around a bit of extra weight should consider staying to the higher side of the scale. The Bonafide is worth a look as well, with a 98 mm waist, the thing holds a really good edge. Please remember, you will still have to take them to a certified technician at a local ski shop before your first run. Elan Ripstick 96 2. Have fun! We usually pair skis of this caliber with either the Marker Griffon 13 or the Tyrolia Attack 13--both have strong performance. I typically, however, recommend it for lighter weight skier more than skiers your size. Thanks. Is the 13 sufficient or should I go for a 16? This gives the ski an insane amount of stability and smoothness that is not found elsewhere in such a playful ski. Which length would you recommend: 1.77 or 1.84? Hope that helps! SE. Check it out! Montana in December, Colorado in February, and a few trips to Mammoth and Tahoe throughout the year. Are there any other skis other than the ones I've already looked at worth taking into consideration? SE. Liberty is growing up as a brand, and the Origin 96 is a perfect example of how their skis continue to evolve. Have fun! Power:Float Ratio, Straight-Line Compliance, Stability at Speed. Was thinking the turn radius on 177 Mantras would be similar to the 185 Enforcer. I mean theyre both pretty light and soft(ish) skis. Beginner skiers are classified as people who have never ever skied, right up to those just starting to dabble in Intermediate trails. It works quite well in this 100 mm shape, and when combined with the longer-radius C2 shaping, these skis are wider on-trail skis that also have quite a bit of all-mountain versatility. The Atomic Bent 100 is a do-everything freeride ski. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. 177 felt pretty solid, but didn't get to try it on much soft snow for floatation (granted, primary need won't be using it as a pow ski, got the dps for that) Hope that helps! Have fun! Talk to a Skier: href='/Chairlift-Chat/DPS-Phantom-2-Wax-System-Explanation'. It's just a matter of whether you're willing to give up a little bit of responsiveness on firm snow. Of course it comes down to personal pref/actual feel on the skis but I'm just trying to avoid wishing they were actually a bit longer/shorter once I get them. Have you skied the Enforcer in the 193? Any other ski worth looking into? Their blend of Graphene, Koroyd, carbon, and karuba wood results in a ski that is not only unique in its construction, but also impressively stiff for how light it is. For a relatively heavy ski, its amazing how quick and agile it is, in addition to being an accomplished floater. Swing weight goes a long way, and a ski like the Vantage 97 Ti is going to be easier to maneuver and less tiring than a heavier ski. I decided this year to upgrade from 10 year old K2 Apache Recon. It's quick and responsive and really performs well across a variety of terrain. As a new model for 2022, the Kastle ZX 100 follows in the wider footsteps of last years ZX 108. Any recommendation? If you're looking for another choice, check out the K2 Pinnacle 95--very maneuverable and super-fun on the groomers. If youre looking to buy a powder ski, the natural notion is to go a bit longer. They manage to eke out quite a bit of flotation and freeride acumen, however, and a lot of it comes down to the skis ability to flex and bend with a wide range of stiffness and power. It's a great ski for someone like yourself who tries to stay away from groomers whenever possible. We offer FREE mounting if you provide your actual Boot Sole Length ("BSL") in mm in the sole length box below selecting length of ski. The Mantra M5, Rossignol Experience 94, Salomon QST 92 or the Blizzard Rustler 9 should be at the top of your list. You could, however, argue that the Bonafide just accepts skier input a little more easily than the MX 99. I'd look to the mid to upper 170's for length. More weight means the skis will feel softer, and shorter. Hope that helps, I ski pretty playfully and love doing small drops and side hits. I love my Bonafide (crushing it yesterday at Breck) but I'm getting old and pushing 2 sheets of metal wearing me out. Have fun! I'm 5'10", 180 lbs. Thanks! SE. SE. Thanks again!! Which ski do you recommend based on my description? You like a ski that is unwavering at speed and as stable as it gets. Skiers who value light weight over stability. I'm a strong intermediate to advanced skier, 53yo, 6'1" 205lbs in Alberta, ski mostly Louise, Sunshine, Kicking Horse. I like them for all-mountain skis as well, but I have other pairs for personal skiing as well. Atomic Bent Chetler 100 Skis 188 | 2023 Powder/All Mountain Skis. Because it's lighter, it's going to be easier to maneuver compared to some of the heavier skis in this article. If you're looking for a strong-carving ski in that 100mm range, I'd check out the Volkl Mantra 102 and the Nordica Enforcer 100. You can use them most days when the snow is soft. and the removal of Koroyd (yay again!). Stowe opens this Friday, so we're not far behind you SE. That long tip rocker also helps smooth out turn initiation on firm snow, helping you to link carving turns. If you loved the feel of the QST 106, but want to go a little narrower, I'd go with the QST 99. They're great in trees and bumps, but the Camox might be more well-rounded and with a higher-performance ceiling. Because it uses so much rocker and because it's fairly light, it skis a little short. I'm a snowboarder that skis 20 days a year and my style is probably best described as fast and loose! The QST is a great mix of performance and is on the lighter side, but it's still a fantastic all-mountain ski for any and all conditions. )Maybe the Black? I'm in western Canada, so I ski Banff, Lake Louise, Kicking Horse. Atomic BENT CHETLER 120 Skis 2023. Probably 70/30 on/off-piste, enjoy moguls and glades, and powder when I can find it but not terribly often. Hope that helps! Can you describe some of the nuances between these? Demo'd sizes were a 182 (too small) and 188 which felt good but on the Enforcer idk if I would go 193 or 185?? Blister's Flash Reviews and Deep Dives are produced for Blister members. The Kore is a good mix of the three, with the Sky being the quickest and floatiest, and the Salomon being the dampest and most stable. The Bent Chetler 100 is significantly softer-flexing, and the Enforcer 100 is heavier. Who it's For: You probably still spend most of your time on groomers, but you really don't want a heavy, race-construction-style ski. I tend to avoid mogul runs. In most cases, this is the right call, but skiers should be geo-conscious before buying more than they can handle. Trying to decide between the BC 100 and QST 98 and Im torn. Im 5'10" and 230 lbs. Psyched you're already back on snow! HI David! I ski approx. Ski area: Lake Tahoe, CA, 10-15 days a season Ok, so maybe not the best, but you certainly could be a contendah, kid. Was thinking that the M5 might not be the best all rounder when I need to ski a bit slower with my young family on groomers. All stable and smart skis. sorrycan't edit posts here. This construction is similar to what we see in race skis. The tip rocker profile is on the longer side, but theres not a whole lot of natural tail rocker up until the twin-tipped shape. About the product One of the most award-winning skis to ever grace the mountain, the Atomic Bent Chetler 120 is a pillow-bashing, powder slashing ski legend. Would love your recommendations. Hi! Can you help? The Line Sick Day 104 is definitely more directional, and they ski a bit short for the stated length. I suppose I'm also a bit confused because with much of my skiing being on moguls (of the sort that develop as a steep slope is left alone, not regularly shaped competitive ones), specialized mogul skis would be close to slalom skis, whereas skis for variable surface conditions get quite a bit wider--so what does one best use on moguls with variable surface conditions? 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