I dont think the FAA realizes that pilots arent average human beings. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. He landed safely, but it was his last flight. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. What you dont want to do is lie. I go to sleep. Responding to a letter from the FAA about your medical certificate almost always requires you to provide detailed notes from your treating physician(s) and other objective evidence to show you are safe to fly. Syed, Have you EVER been dizzy? Died of a massive heart attack. Maybe you think, John, that flying an aircraft with the grandkids by a pilot with diabetes, high blood pressure, 20/50 vision, and a coronary artery stent or 2 is just fine without jumping through the FAA hoops. If after that the FAA denied your application, you can seek reconsideration of that denial by making a few substantive arguments. And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. A related question would be do people fly without a medical illegally? Lie by default. He proceeded to read off the list and after a half dozen items to which I responded No, he said You wouldnt tell me if you had any of these, would you? Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. How is THAT not a red flag to someone??? If you didnt say yes then you lied. Have tried the polite calling routine, found they will lie to you, one time the lady told me my SI was approved & mailed 2 days prior, when I finally got it 3 weeks later the post mark date proved they had lied. I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. If you have a condition which COULD result in a denial then get it checked out because you have a potential medical condition that could be a problem with you living. Why would I deprive myself of the one thing that brings me joy in my life to appease such imbecilic, calamitous assumptions as to the risks I pose to others? We should not be subjected to this inquisitional questionnaire in the first place. Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. I also feel that anyone flying not-for-hire who can truthfully answer no to all the medical questions should be allowed to submit that form directly to the FAA and maintain his medical without needing to see his AME. Pilots most likely have wanted too fly since they were kids. Thus by forcing pilots to avoid medical treatment, in order to protect their medical certificate, the FAA actually promotes ill health and thus diminishes safety. speaks to mental disorders of any sort. It goes on to give examples of depression, anxiety, etc. The FAA typically expects applicants to also identify at question 18m. Pilots that I talk to share the same dreams as I do and we all began chasing the dream at an extremely young age. I can empathize with that Louis. Skydiving. Such disorders might be genetic. Many pilots have waited months or years for their medical certificates because each new record they provide to justify their medical certificate eligibility reveals another ailment they did not disclose before. He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. Again, Im not arguing against the need for medical certification, but the process needs some serious streamlining. You said they can search, where do they find that information? Wiley Post would have never passed a physical. Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. Id probably be in better shape if I *wasnt* a pilot since Id feel free to take advantage of those things, whereas now theyre just traps, ways to lose the ability to fly. Question:Do you think most pilots fib on applications for medical certificates? Trying to fix an accidental lie on my medical. The regulations are not arbitrary. Email me at [emailprotected]. Unfortunately, nuts-deep in lighting nowwhoo.. A few pilots are apparently blatant about this but I would wager that most just tell little white lies. He petitioned the FAA to remove his special issuance for that disorder and supplied a letter from his treating physician, and the special issuance requirement went away. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. Some pilots are terrified of the FAA's power to revoke their flying privileges and, accordingly, bend or ignore the rules. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? The AOPA and the EAA are going to propose an exemption to the third class physical exam that would allow us to use our drivers license as our medical to fly recreational. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. Read from the question directly above the one you linked to: Long-standing FAA regulation, 61.53, prohibits all pilotsthose who are required to hold airman medical certificates and those who are notfrom exercising privileges during periods of medical deficiency. Seems arbitrary to me. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. Since my late 30s, I have taken meds to control my blood pressure. Avoid Medical Certification Delay. The best advice we can give you is to visit an aviation medical examiner (AME). The premise of someone getting over long-term depression is laughable. The AME might be required to defer your Medical Certificate, but you will be 3-4 months ahead by having the AME submit your medical information along with the 8500-8 rather than waiting for the FAA to ask for the information. By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. to get it straightened out. I refer them to my TMI rule; if it was transient, dont say it. Should I expect the FAA to understand my circumstance if theyre going to pull a pilots ticket for marital counseling? They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. You have to be careful what you ask for. Im OK now, sleep with a CPAP machine. I live in the UK and the medical over here for a pilot licence, they dont do an EEG. There are hardly any crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation and if there were the FAA or NTSB would have expressed grave concerns. You want to make it more difficult? Taint worth messing up folks. Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. I was even showing a bit of talent for it and progressing very nicely towards my private pilot certificate. - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? I hope you realize a world that had perfect safety would be one not worth living in. Its only a matter of time. I have a perfect driving record,clean medical history,and also a clean criminal history. He as a jet driver and as the sole pilot that might have been a problem during the flight he was scheduled for the next day. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. I can now only fly Sport due to a medical condition that will cause me to fail the third class medical exam if I take it. Port St. Lucie, FL 34988 Ones health does not distinguish between ones ability to pilot a 2 seater weighing 1320 lbs and a 4 seat airplane weighing 3500 lbs. PER your admission the need for a medical is a mute issue I drive there for I fly. Thus the FAAs excessive emphasis, on the potential hazards of medical conditions and medications, serves only to reinforce its own bureaucratic authority. He memorized the color chart. I was better off lying. At a certain point there is the issue of freedom vs safety. you say he flys solo whats it to you, Gee I fell out of bead a week ago and wacked my head I wonder if I should tell the FAA. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. KL, He was flying with ryanair and was due to move to emirates. One of the greatest fears among aspiring and qualified pilots is not being issued or losing their medical certificate. I say that based on the relative numbers discussed above. Where is this regulation? Unfortunately some do lie. What most folks dont realize is that less than 1% of medical applications are denied whether it be for diabetes or criminal record. However you have never been treated or taken medication so probably if you disclose it the FAA would require some sort of doctors evaluation which says you are OK and that will be the end of it. It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. A good AME will tell you how to jump through the hoops so that when you go for your FAA medical certificate, you have all the data needed for the FAA. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? It is a scam, a make-work project for administrators, and btw, doctors who make a practice of the bulk of business, which is 3rd class. An example is the FAAs recent rule change on anti-depressant use. Did you answer Yes on the question and get you special issue? They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. If Im not successful, well, I will probably just put the dream to bed again. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. If youre over 40 and your first-class medical is not renewed within six calendar months, itll revert to the privileges of a second-class medical for an additional six months. the third class should go away. Deaply sorry it was a dumb statement. There are folks flying with diabetes that are on insulin. I am unconscious every night. Theyll wait until a couple of major airline pilots go postal or have a seizure over the threshold and get the front page bold type, then overreact totally inappropriately, and far too late. PO Box 882196 HIPPA Law prevents them from looking at your medical history without your consent. It is also very much a question of freedom. Thank you for the post. If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. I am all in favour of your own doctors certificate of good health. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. Auto correct makes illiterates of us all. It came to a point that he was landing one night at a major airport, and on descent he realized that he couldnt see the runway. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. The FAA can get your records from Social Security if you are on Medicare. One assault charge, not so much. then are able to re-apply. What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Politicians create government agencies empowered to rule by edict. However many of the folks you are asking are not quite so anonymous. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? To check the validity of the certificate, email a request to Aviation Data Systems Branch, [emailprotected]. see you in the cockpit!! Question 19 speaks to visits to healthcare professionals within the last 3 years. If on this question, an applicant identifies that he or she has been to see his or her doctor for treatment of ADHD, this will likely warrant deferral. I have no problem with the current system. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. Ultimately, a yes response to 18m. So, easing up on the medical requirements would be based on real world situations. Few people have memory of everything diagnosed as a child, how many appoinments one has been to in the last 3 years, or even knowledge of what the doctor has put in your medical record. They leave that up to you, but just make sure you read their minds so that your interpretation matches theirs that they dont tell you. FAA gets told one version of the story. Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. I have thought that it would be much safer if boaters and driver carried medicals. Gradually, our freedoms are being taken away by government regulatory entities. Ultimately, a FAA medical denial for ADHD is almost never the end of the road for an airman. On the other hand, the FAA medical system is complex, expensive, and difficult to support with data showing lives saved, etc. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. Im not trying to be deceitful, but I really want to be prepared for this interview and I dont see the importance of something that wont effect flying. Your AME will review your MedXPress application in detail and conduct a physical exam. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. You would be surprised how many complaints FSDOs receive for folks reporting their family members. Lying on the medical is usually unnecessary in order to keep flying, and has such potentially dire consequences for ones life, family, and finances that its not worth the risk. I have been flying for 39 years and professionally since I was 18. NONE . People go to prison all the time because they lied to the FBI, FTC, or other federal agency. His response was that the FAA wanted to ascertain that I was aware of the disability and take necessary actions to overcome it, In this case to use other senses to monitor the aircrafts actions, i.e. And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. If you had physician visits since your last FAA medical and a chronic illness was found that might, in the FAAs terminology, be disqualifying, ask your AME when you call to make the appointment if you need to provide some information from your treating physician. Its about cooperating with your doc so you can keep doing what you love. Id had apnea for several years, napped daily once or twice. All other patients was sick, so sick but pilots healthy, so healthy. No he should not have been grounded. Governmental overkill? Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. whether, in their life, have they been diagnosed with, had, or presently have a history of ADHD. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); All information found on medmg.org is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Again, take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. By logging into your account, you agree to our. I lost my younger years flying and now the hoopes I have to jump through is unbeleveable.I really love flying but the government can take the privelage away its not right. The real problem was that I also am prescribed anti-diarrhea medication and I take it as needed. Question 18m. As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. A. The simple fact is that the FAA generally trusts pilots. It is strongly advised that you seek the opinion and advice of a qualified aviation medical examiner and appropriate medical physician for any medical needs you may have. Everyone at some point or another you all have been diagnosed with something. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue Yes, they do. I know there are very experienced Senior AMEs out there who may have more influence with a phone call to Oklahoma City. One will get a license. Im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my story. I suggest that every pilot take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. He had me sit where I could not see him so that I could not tell when he hit the switch that turned on the tone I was required to listen for. He went on to training pilots via simulators. Because the measures necessary to achieve it would make life intolerable dull and stifling. good for 2 years. Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. Nope, they requested an entirely new one. There shouldnt be different standards for flying than are for driving. No, get a different one. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. Yeah thought so. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. In this age of fax machines, email, twitter, facebook, linked in, etc, it is obvious that the FAA is stuck in the past. Should I be worried? Given how stress, marriage pressures, work distractions, fatigue and the hopelessly useless pee in cops cut, phony eye exam work, the self certification (which good pilots do anyway) and lack of medical accident experience with LSA, the fat, useless, overpaid FAA administrators should just go away in favor of drivers license. Ruin a life a move on. Often it is not a case of pilots intentionally lying or withholding information that can get them into trouble, but ignorance of what they need to report. Returning home, the Civil Aviation Medical Board cleared me for flying. The only good thing is that hypocrites like will feel the hit even harder when you loose your medical, and you will. Your email address will not be published. If I remember correctly, being off antidepressant medication for 6 months or longer makes the problem that required the medication no longer an issue. An applicant who knowingly misrepresents the facts and gets caught can lose his or her pilot license forever and face a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. Help is only a phone call away! They are really convincing and will definitely work. Next, instead of the Class 3 Medical Certificate being good for 5 years until age 40 when it decreases to 2 years, make the decrease more gradual. Im due for a flight medical soon. Misdiagnosed with epilepsy. What you didnt? Your signature at the bottom authorizes the FAA to search the National Drivers Registry for violations involving alcohol or illegal drugs, for instance, so you may want to think twice about trying to conceal a drunk driving conviction. Perhaps most problematic is that these medications are disqualifying in and of themselves. Bend or ignore the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor history and. If im not sure what I think about all this but Ill tell you my.... 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